Neema Vedadi talks about why he quit his mainstream media job, and tells us from an insider’s view what is wrong with mainstream media, and why he’d rather podcast than broadcast. Then Neema and Michael W. Dean discuss how you can promote the Feens, how the Liberty Radio Network is syndicating Freedom Feens, Ron Paul, Panarchy, how the corporatist “Tea Party” is co-opting the language (but not the ethics) of libertarianism, California banning rave toys, NY cops framing people for drugs, how Alcoholics Anonymous is a good example of a non-profit free market in action, Autotune in crack documentaries, The good film Black And Blue – Legends Of The Hip Hop Cop, the AMAZING film The Baader Meinhof Complex, how some analysts are skeptical of the alleged Iranian plot, how Obama’s boys are going after Free Speech, how the feds are trying to outlaw satire, and the pure simple pleasures of drinking strong coffee at 4 AM.

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  1. MichaelWDean says:

    Of course, Jason!

    Thank you.

  2. Jason Haynes says:

    I am honored to have had a post that I brought up to you about Adam vs The Man talked about on this podcast and then to have you segway to Steven Molyneux and incorporate that in your answer to my post is another honor for me. True, I am a bit of a noob to the Freedom Feens as you suggested that I might be, Michael. I am learning as I go.

    Love the podcasts and doing my best to get the word out about Freedom Feens at each chance I get. Freedoms Feens is a podcast that is very much worth telling others about.

  3. MichaelWDean says:

    Lol/. yup!


  4. MichaelWDean says:

    Hesperus – great points, and I’ll find and check out that book.

    Also, glad to find someone else who digs the movie….

    “the scene where they’re sunbathing nude in a PLO training camp and the little jihadis are going nuts at the sight of these attractive German chicks is one of the best things I have ever seen in a movie. ”

    Far too few people outside of Europe know the film (or any of Uli Edel’s films, for that matter), and it’s a great pmr. It was actually nominated for an Academy Award too. (Best Foreign Language Film, a very Hollywood-centric title for sure).


  5. MichaelWDean says:

    Vaporsmiths have the strongest battery of any e-cigg.


  6. John Applebee says:

    Another great podcast, and i really dug the movie you recommended.

    and @ David Crowe. go ahead and pick a starter set of e-cigs up. been on mine for 2 years now. Only thing i needed to do was find a model with a big enough battery.

  7. Hesperus says:

       I simply must make a few comments about your last podcast, first of all I highly recommend the movie, the Badder-Meinhof complex. I mean the scene where they’re sunbathing nude in a PLO training camp and the little jihadis are going nuts at the sight of these attractive German chicks is one of the best things I have ever seen in a movie. I am a big believer in the concept that certain people would be a lot less irritable if they would relax a little. But you left out an interesting bit. When the PLO leader tells them to knock it off one of them launches into a weird communist tirade which leaves the PLO guy utterly befuddled. Which they then sum up as,”Fù&ing and shooting are the same thing.” But there is also a book by the same name that goes into a lot more detail. I read a copy during a trip to New Zealand a little over a year ago.
        For instance there is a scene where Ulrike Meinhof has reached a point of such insanity that she is so determined to not see her twin daughters wind up in the custody of their father that she orders them sent to a Palestinian refugee camp. Yikes! Talk about really hating yer ex.
        But the question becomes, someone in the Red Army Faction, the technical name of the Badder-Meinhof gang, revealed where her daughters were being hidden in Italy to spare them from the fate of growing up in a refugee camp. The book details who blew the whistle.
        The movie by itself is superb, one reviewer said it was like a combination of some movie about Che and the fast and furious movies. But I think this is a little unfair as most movies about Che glorify him and really play it fast and loose with the facts of his heinous little story, this movie doesn’t do that and the book basically talks about a lot of fascinating details that the movie simply couldn’t go into for lack of time.        
        Though the movie is great and the book answers most of the unanswered  questions the movie brings up, for me at least there is one colossal question. Near the end of the story surviving elements of the Red Army Faction kidnap some high mucky muck, I think he was the president of all of Germanys labor unions. The assailants blast his security detail out of existence with Hk53s. A very rare weapon, and I have looked all over but I have never heard anyone even attempt to explain how those maniacs got their sticky fingers on a collection of them. I know that terrorists and revolutionaries get their weapons in weird ways. The book talks about their first, comical attempts to get their hands on guns but not how they got those, I would really like to find the answer to this someday.   

  8. MichaelWDean says:

    LOL! No, we’re not this guy:

    We’re theorists compared to him.


  9. Fascist Anarchist says:

    Freaked out for a second, thought you said you hooked up with Liberty Tree Radio which was Mark Koernke’s outfit. Good thing I wasn’t drinking that double espresso, could have done some damage.

    Good luck to Neema with the new job.

  10. MichaelWDean says:

    “Voting is basically a suggestion box strung up in the cotton field by our slave masters.” – Neema Vedadi

  11. MichaelWDean says:

    Calico, here’s the thing with Communism. Everyone who clamors for it forgets three things:

    1. Anytime it’s existed, a lot of people had to be killed before it got off the ground.

    2. There always still existed a class of rich parasites, but they worked for the government instead of for corporations.

    3. It has never really “worked” in history, and always reverts to either tyranny (like North Korea) or to some sort of Democracy (like Russia and the Czechs.)

    –Michael W. Dean

  12. MichaelWDean says:

    Neema, good stuff.

    I want to discuss anarchism on the next cast, people seem to be clamoring for us to do so. One thought I have up front is this: is there anything about the term “anarchy” that HAS to include the non-aggression principle? I can’t see where there is….


  13. NeemaV says:

    Callico says: “Ugh, the bizarre lie that Capitalism is not the extraction of wealth upward by whatever means necessary”

    I think our misunderstanding is definition of terms. Because when we say we promote “Capitalism” we certainly don’t mean “extraction of wealth upward by whatever means necessary”. I would never promote that, and Michael wouldn’t either.

    My definition of Capitalism is an environment where all scarce resources are owned and traded voluntarily (without the use of force or violence as a means) and exclusively by private property owners. This does not necessarily lead to the “extraction of wealth upward”.

    I would not define America as “Capitalist” nor anywhere that’s ever had a “state” as “Capitalist”.

    The existence of a state however does indeed lead to the “extraction of wealth upward” since a select few are granted a monopoly of force with which to extract wealth.

    Forcing people to obey you at gun point (unless in self defense) is always wrong and is the essence of the state. Hence the state is always wrong and is the root of our problems. This is why in libertarian circles the state always gets the blame just as in old communist rhetoric “capitalism” always gets the blame. The difference is the communist proposed using violence to force their economic and social agendas on people…though their goal was a “stateless” society eventually the means was vast amounts of violence and massive state control and social engineering. It was like beating the shit out of your wife everyday in the hopes that one day you’ll both live happily ever after.

    Libertarians posit that violence or “aggression” is really the root of the problem. It’s the cause of wealth being extracted upward. Who uses violence to steal or counterfeit (extract) trillions of dollars a year? The U.S. Government….often at the behest and to the benefit of giant corporations (which are also created by the government). The solution then is to get rid of aggression as an accepted means of solving social issues. Which means getting rid of the biggest aggressor the “State”.

    Callico; I would certainly like to hear an alternative method of stopping the extraction of wealth upward that doesn’t involve a violation of the “non-aggression principle”. The only thing that makes sense to me thus far is getting rid of the state.

  14. MichaelWDean says:

    Callico wrote:
    Ah, the guy who can’t tell the difference between North and South Korea

    Calicao, I know you’re in the South, the “freer” of the two Koreas. It’s not a dictatorship, but it’s still not a very free place.

    It was snide of me to even bring it up. But I just felt like poking at you because you were lecturing me about capitalism being a bad thing. That’s silly.


  15. Callico says:

    Also, I didn’t mention freedom. It’s a weird tic that libertarians have, to use the word to mean “everything”. Mostly, they just mean stupid negative liberty cliches, but even that doesn’t work in “capitalism”. Ugh, the bizarre lie that Capitalism is not the extraction of wealth upward by whatever means necessary. Yes yes, the corporate corrupt powers, you and whine on about them and fight for domination because it doesn’t have a little tag next to it that says (state). States, economies, politics, corporations, these are arrangements of forces, organizations of people, they don’t function any differently because you’ve voted for one and (UMMM) voted with your dollar for the other. It is the brilliant historical irony that libertarians now sound exactly like the Soviet Apparatchiks. “Everything wrong with the functioning of communism is the insidious capitalism we have yet to eradicate! If only we were perfectly communist, if every last tick of liberalism were abolished, freedom would reign!” Everybody can list the failed communist states, and dismiss the annoying fools who talk about the difference between theory and practice, and yet libertarians are allowed to walk around saying “Every capitalist country ever hasn’t actually been capitalist, so don’t tag us with their excesses, their crimes, their lies and their wars.” Cowards and idiots, the lot of them.

  16. Callico says:

    Ah, the guy who can’t tell the difference between North and South Korea, this is the genius political philosopher of our time.

  17. Garrett says:

    Interesting…you can smoke cigs in Canadia, but not a safer alternative?

    Oh and Michael, I’m must say I am proud to be one of your internet acquantenances. 😀

  18. Derek says:

    Hooray for Neema no longer being a mouthpiece of the State!
    More time for rapping about freedom!

  19. MichaelWDean says:

    Thanks man! That means a lot to us. Glad you dig it so much!

    Wikipedia says Canada doesn’t allow real e-ciggs: “In Canada, as of March 2009, the import, sale, and advertising of electronic cigarettes containing nicotine are banned in Canada, while non-nicotine e-cigs are legal and may be sold and advertised. Health Canada advised Canadian consumers not to purchase or use any electronic smoking products, cited prohibition of electronic smoking products containing nicotine in the Food and Drugs Act; no market authorization has been granted for any electronic smoking product.[13]”

    • David Crowe says:

      Well, that makes sense, I guess. Par for the course. They don’t let us have guns either. Canada is a very Mom-ist, nanny-state kind of place. It’s getting worse all the time. Still lots of room in Wyoming, right? 😀
      Still I have friends all over the states. Maybe I might see about getting one of my compatriots to help me “smuggle” one in…

  20. David Crowe says:

    I like the new look! Congrats to the contest winners as well. You guys almost have me sold on the e-cigs. There are versions available locally but you can’t seem to get actual nicotine loads. It’s all these little flavours and stuff, like the ciggie version of near beer only worse. I’ll have to order up a package online as soon as I’m able. I’m so sick of the tobacco thing. It really hurts my singing voice and, at my age, it affects my wind and stamina. Anyway, keep up the good work. You guys are a real inspiration. I love how generous you guys are with promoting other people’s interests and sharing knowledge.

  21. MichaelWDean says:

    Good point, Garrett!

  22. Garrett says:

    That’s right, I have heard you correct yourselves before. I have found that that is a good conversation starter at work though.

  23. MichaelWDean says:

    The only REAL “we” I feel to the core of my heart is all within my house: My wife, and to a far lesser extent, my cats. Though Neema comes close….lol.


  24. MichaelWDean says:


    Yeah, ya caught me saying “we” when I meant “the gubmint.” I’ve corrected myself on this before on previous episodes, but will probably make the mistake again. It’s so damn ingrained.


  25. Garrett says:

    Hey guys. Thanks for yet another great podcast. I would just like to comment on one thing though… “We” aren’t bombing countries with predator drones, the US Govt and the MIC is. I’m a stickler for vanacular, especially when it comes to collectivist terms.

    Oh yeah, and about the anarchist question; anarchists rule themselves while allowing others to do the same. “The Red’s” still seem to allow the use of force and are against property. I think they’re stuck in the 70’s.


  26. MichaelWDean says:

    I think you are confusing, as many people do, corporatism (bad) with capitalism (good). Corporatism is where the state plays favorites. Most of what passes for capitalism, even in America, is not capitalism, but rather corporatism.

    -Michael Dean

  27. MichaelWDean says:

    …..great. A guy from Korea lecturing me on freedom.

  28. Callico says:

    Bakunin and Marx started the First International together. Communist theory explicitly states that the end stage of communism is a stateless organization of the people. Movements like Autonomism are extra-legal workers councils, (soviets to the likes of you and me). Maybe it’s you who needs a primer on Anarchism and Communism. (this isn’t to say there are severe differences, but they are internecine, not opposed. Most important to any anarchist of today is to smash the main mode of domination; Capitalism. Maybe when that’s sorted, we’ll deal with the state.)

  29. MichaelWDean says:

    Right on, Justin.


  30. Justin says:


    I would venture to say that most people who call themselves Anarchists simply do so because they don’t like being told what to do. What they don’t understand, is in order for a system in which they’re not told what to do to work, they also have to be willing to not tell anyone else what to do or allow anyone TO tell anyone else what to do. Hence, the zero aggression policy, which is the absolute KEY to any system of more freedom operating smoothly. Without zero aggression, anarchy would be nothing more than survival of the fittest . . . Or more appropriately, the survival of the biggest, strongest, most wealthy, and/or most heavily armed and well allied on the backs of everyone else.

    Before we can have a system of less government, and more freedom, we have to train away years of social decay/engineering that has programmed sheeple to think it’s cool to fuck with one another for no productive reason whatsoever. If ya get yer kicks from hassling other folks, your prospects will be pretty bleak in an anarchist society. Unfortunately for the rest of us however, there are a lot of EXTREMELY powerful people who get their kicks from from hassling other folks. They’d be the ones we’d have to watch out for.


  31. MichaelWDean says:

    Will do!

    Thank you.


  32. Jeff Campbell says:

    In an upcoming feems episode could you please give a lesson on what Anarchism really is ?.

    You hear all kinds of people claim they are Anarchist, yet they don’t even know what one really is, for example you hear protesters that call themselves Anarchist, yet at the same time they call themselves Communist, more Government Anarchist and they kind of blow my mind that they have no idea what Anarchism really is.

    So why not explain to people what a True Anarchist really is ?. Thank you for your consideration.

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