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Michael W. Dean and Neema Vedadi talk about Molon Labe, “the Shrine of Feline Listeners”, the government wanting to spy on you through streetlights and use of pre-crime software, chopped and screwed hip-hop, DJ Screw, Casper City council doesn’t want to keep guns out – they want to keep GUN PEOPLE out, FileShredder, Ted Nugent and Gene Simmons being statist; consensual safe, sane BDSM S&M vs. government tyranny (no safeword!); Federal government proposes Christmas tree tax to promote sales, plea deals are blackmail, and how the Military-Industrial-Police-Educational-Pharmaceutical Complex in the form of The Twin Rivers Police Officers Association are selling a t-shirt depicting a child behind bars with the slogan “U Raise em, We Cage em.” Michael and Neema wonder, when people say “not my president”, are they seceding? They address the Occupy Movement and tell them how what they should really be demonstrating isn’t Wall Street but rather the Federal Reserve. They discuss the Redemption Movement and the FCC and DHS takeover of all TV and Radio for a 1984-esque “Two-Minutes’ Hate, Obama telling us “You’ll be on your own if the Republicans win” (as if). Then they eulogize Joe Fraizer, Heavy D and Milton William Cooper – the liberty radio broadcast pioneer killed by cops ten years ago last week.


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  1. MichaelWDean says:

    Sounds about right….

  2. Guy says:

    Yes, I work in Jackson most days. Many are Nanny wankers. But when you discuss things with the people they are not as posessed by state powers as the politicians are. Though they have not abandoned the idea that the state can fix alot of issues.

  3. Guy says:

    There is a group in Alaska who created their own court system, and a liberty bell system that would rat on obsessive police. I cannot recall the name now. But last I heard more than 1/2 of Fairbanks is part of that group and choose that “common law” court over the pagan courts of the real govewrnment, I would love to see such a Liberty movement in Wyoming.

  4. MichaelWDean says:

    You ever been to Jackson? It’s a totally nanny fest. It’s even illegal to smoke tobacco in public there.


  5. Guy says:


    Maybe he (Gerry Spence) is pompus. And Jackson is liberal, but many liberals in Jackson support Ron Paul, because they are not purchased liberals. And Gerry Spence in his books says he is not for the Socialist fixes. I feel that jealous is probably a better word.

  6. MichaelWDean says:

    Wife says,” In general he was very good at what he did. And whether you respect him or are frustrated by him, depends on which side of the argument you’re on (personal injury lawyers and defense lawyers are often opposed, and he was a personal injury/plaintiff’s attorney. But mainly, a lot of lawyers don’t like him because he is kind of pompous and full of himself.”


  7. MichaelWDean says:

    I think lawyers are jealous of Spence. Also, he is a Jackson liberal, and many lawyers here are Republicans. Jackson is the San Francisco of Wyoming. I was kind of half-kidding when I said “He’s a dirty word around here” though. I’ll ask my wife and see what she ways.

    As for the minarchist court question, the short answer is “yes, but minarchist courts would be more concerned with restitution than punishment.” The long answer is “we’ve talked about this in several episodes, but I have no idea which ones.”

  8. Guy says:

    I know their are a lot of strong opinions, but I would like to know the problems. Since he has won many cases in favor of the people. And some he has won were overturned by the feds. To the demise of the 7th ammendment.

    I am all for freedom and Ron Paul, and deregulation. But we must simultaneously restore justice. We must return the courts to common law courts. For they have built up mountains of case law against freedom. Things like jury nullification are all but nullified. Most judges will call a mis trial if it is mentioned that the defendant is insured. Is not a renewal of the court system as imperative to freedom

    I do not mean to fight for Gerry Spence, for I believe he can do that himself. Though I would like to know why the legal community thinks bad of him. Perhaps it is diserved, perhaps those who dislike him are the enemies of freedom. Perhaps I have no idea of the complexity of all that has transpired. But it seems to me that if he stands for freedom and justice we ought to hope for his help. Without justice their is no real freedom. And half free is not free. There are few Lawyers who have won cases against such incredible odds including against the feds.

    Question, would a minarchist, consentualist, society have courts? How would it inforce justice? The government creates most of our social ills, but not all of them.

  9. MichaelWDean says:


    Welcome! Glad to have you aboard.

    Gerry Spence is right, but his name is a bit of a dirty word around this house, since we live in Wyoming and my wife works in law. Most people in Wyoming who work in law have strong opinions of him.


  10. Guy says:

    I just started listening to your pod casts. This was one of the first. I love freedom, own and use guns. Lots of good content.

    I would like to comment on what you said about still having trial by jury. Because it is only partly true. More than 70 percent of jury trials are overturned by a court of appeals (especially in cases with mega corps). And if you are ever injured by a federal employee a federal adjuster will determine the compensation. Not to mention that using workers compensation insurance forfits your right to a trial by jury.

    You should reed the books “With Justice for None” and “Gunning for Justice” by Gerry Spence. He has been called a liberal, but it must have been pro corprate facists that called him that, because he has been sounding the alarm for decades. The mega rich not only own the tax system, education, military…. they also own justice.

  11. MichaelWDean says:

    That’s it. Yup!

    I like it. “Work, self-defense and knowledge.”

    Thank you, Derek.


  12. MichaelWDean says:


    We did mention in passing, that rapper who’s an Illuminati conspiracy guy, about 15 episodes back maybe.

    Great comments on the AK. Did you know it’s on the flag of some nation in Africa?

    I not only drove in San Fran, I was also a bike messenger there! Yikes!


  13. Hesperus says:

    Good show this week
    First of all.
    Avril Levine is considered punk music? That’s a real head scratcher, I have heard her music a couple times and she always sounded like pure pop to me.

         By the way I am a little surprised that I have never heard you guys talk about certain rappers flashing illuminati hand signs. Totally baffling to me that anyone would be flying the flag of the illuminati and trying to make it stylish? I guess.
         Also I wanted to bring up the irony of the whole statist sounding line of names for these revolvers, or short barreled shotguns or whatever the heck one classifies them as is that the typical Jack booted thug would never use one, except perhaps for a larf. Supposedly the name of the Taurus judge comes from judges in Florida who took a liking to these weapons and kept the cartoonish gun hidden under their robes. No I am not just saying that, when I first saw a judge I thought it was a joke, or a movie prop, or some one off monstrosity.

         On the subject of the redemption movement, sovereign citizens and using weird arguments to get out of taxation I first heard of it in the novel patriots by James Wesley Rawls. Weird stuff alright and admittedly ineffective by the author, but when you get into that stuff it becomes a real mess. One of the characters claims that federal gun laws are, due to some obscure court rulings only valid within federal enclaves and territories, like Washington dc, Puerto Rico and military bases. Ha! good luck trying to get away with that in court. But the oddest thing I ever heard in relation to that was that some claim that if you sign a cheque with a delta at the end you do not have to pay it.

         Then we come to government guns in the current sense, I can tolerate Glocks, I like 1911s, I can take or leave AR15s and I love AKs. Especially after replacing the charging handle with a nice rounded bolt on charging handle from Tromix. And switching out the pistol grip for a hogue grip and add an aperture sight. But AKs are the best example I can imagine of the yin and yang of guns, in the former soviet bloc it was the ultimate symbol and tool of the power of the state. After the fall it became a dangerous gangster weapon, and in the rest of the world it became a symbol for everything from freedom to crime to tyranny and everything in between. Of course in this country negative opinions of the AK are generalized to that it is an inaccurate, uncomfortable gun for criminals, terrorists and peasant armies.

         Going off on a somewhat unrelated tangent, I asked Boston about the Kel-Tech RFB and he said that it was alluring. But since it is a new weapon he advised not to rush into it, I also asked if he still advised against AR-10s, specifically Armalite guns or the new weapons in that style like the LaRue OBR and the POF 308 and he never got back to me.
        Oh and in New Zealand we use christmas trees that are still alive, so when we are done we just plant it somewhere.

        One last thing, last Thursday I dropped my father off at the San Francisco international airport. Due to forces beyond my control I had to drive straight through the city in rush hour traffic, then because of a miscalculation I went straight through the heart of the city. Mr Dean I have a whole new respect for you now, and I didn’t have a very low opinion of you in the past. But that you could drive in that city, much less live in it and you are not completely bat-shit insane really amazes.

        I went through that on thursday and I was at a gun-show on friday and I commented about this incident to Gene Shuey, one of Americas preeminent 1911 and glock gunsmiths and he commented.”Well, it’s amazing you are still lucid.”      

  14. MichaelWDean says:


    Interesting. I had to look that up:

    How is it related? In that the Ghost Dance was harmless, useless and brought out the goons?

    MW D

  15. Paul Bonneau says:

    The 861 movement is the “Ghost Dance” movement of the present.

  16. MichaelWDean says:

    Yup. I’ve been re-posting it on every Facebook page I get invited to for “Occupy this” or “Occupy that.”


  17. Justin West says:

    The “Open Message to the 99%” video is some powerful medicine. I’m thoroughly impressed with how articulate it is.

    • John Applebee says:

      I have been sporadically visiting the occupy DC protest to get a feel for the folks there, and the only issue i have with these this one (i cant speak for the others as i have no first hand knowledge) is that the vast majority of those i speak to want more government regulation. They don’t seem to understand what got us into this mess in the first place. Last weekend when i went there i met exactly 3 people that i would consider reasonable, and one of them was handing out Ron Paul literature.

      The video though good stuff. I just wish more of them would watch and think about it a bit.

  18. Derek says:

    Neema, go watch Pootie Tang… now.

  19. Garrett says:

    Great show as always feens. Keep it up!

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