Michael W. Dean and Neema Vedadi talk about how EVERYTHING would work better in the absence of government regulatory bodies, including antibiotics. Ron Paul basically getting called a fag (a la Idiocracy) in South Carolina, farmers dumping milk down the drain for the government, Ademo’s troubles with the man, Solar flares, Obama’s 8th grade-level followers, dad spam, Reno 911, Cedric Yarbrough, Tom on “Boondocks”, SOPA and Newscorp, Google and Facebook pull a Netflix, Iran refuses to return U.S. drone, offers cool toy version instead, self-defense dreams, China on SOPA, Wyoming wants to keep high school drop outs from being able to get a driver’s license, antibiotics in LibPar, Go Ask Alice, unintended consequences, drug dog busts Snoop Dogg’s bus, Tel Aviv lab creates fake DNA evidence, Marijuana DNA database to track origin of pot, and why is all the new useful science lately perverted for the purpose of throwing people into a cage?


Homework: watch the movies Gran Torino (you can watch free, with commercials, on Hulu, here) and Source Code.

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  1. Paul Bonneau says:

    Making a driver’s license conditional on school attendance is a progressive, er, I mean, conservative fad sweeping the country these days. You know, all the people who believe in government. One like that passed in Oregon recently. There is an exception for registered homeschoolers. Of course the noncompliant homeschoolers can take the GED test to get around it, and that may work in Wyoming too. And I agree about the monetary issue you identify; it’s really about supporting the education establishment and also about jailing more kids longer for indoctrination purposes. BTW there were no driver’s licenses issued in Wyoming at all, as recently as 1948. Imagine the carnage on the roads back then .

  2. MichaelWDean says:

    Yup. When my daughter was dying of Leukemia, all her friends shaved their heads and sent their hair to locks of love. (I shaved my head but didn’t send it in.)

    If Locks of Love really are taking advantage of people’s emotions about cancer, they are scumbags.

  3. MichaelWDean says:


    I dunno. Some days I think EVERYONE is corrupt:


    • Ryan says:

      Really sad. My little sister donated her hair to them once. I hope that a child in need benefited even if the organizers profited unethically.

  4. MichaelWDean says:

    I love this comment on that billings gazette article:

    “Some nice salaries there, $130K and $100K, for a nonprofit group in Montana. Also, some heavy duty consulting fees as well to produce what is basically softcore pornography. I wonder how exactly our tax dollars have been spent here? Also, how many of our tax dollars went to this group so they could lobby for more of our tax dollars? That sounds like a perpetual motion machine for wasting our tax dollars. That sounds like money poorly spent, to put it nicely. An audit of this groups’ finances would be in order here. I wonder why Taylor quit after just a month on the job. I bet he could provide some insight into this taxpayer-supported group.”

  5. MichaelWDean says:

    BadQuaker’s awesome.

  6. MichaelWDean says:

    The Meth Project uses high-dollar San Francisco and New York ad agencies and public relations firms. Source:

    “Shea described Siebel as ‘a businessman who’s willing to take a business model to a social problem’.”

    “Siebel also said when he founded the Montana Meth Project that this was a good state to launch in because the population was small and it would be relatively cheap to saturate the state with ads.”

    “…many media outlets to sell space at what Siebel called ‘dramatically discounted rates’.”

    • Ryan says:

      I’m not an MBA, but that sounds like a terrible way to do business… There are 500k Wyomans and the same number of sheep spread over 62 million acres. 3/5ths of the human population (and 99% of the sheep) lives in rural areas. To me, that sounds like a LOT of signs to reach a very few people and sheep. Did this guy really make his money legitimately? XD

  7. MichaelWDean says:

    I love that even with all their funding, the Meth Project’s Alexa rankings are just slightly better than Freedom Feens.

    Give us three months, tops. We’ll be more popular than them. Even on our non-budget.


  8. MichaelWDean says:

    I imagine that in LibPar, there would be a choice between cheap roads with lots of advertising and slightly more expensive scenic roads with no billboards. I’d pay a little extra for the no billboards.


    • Ryan says:

      Great answers. I know I already referred to BadQuaker once tonight, but he went over the first road paved for cars in a recent cast, and dammit, it was interesting! That guy’s like a goldmine of helpful things to know as an anarchist.

  9. MichaelWDean says:

    “But if they were put up by a private group… in a LibPar?”

    They’d be by roads I wouldn’t travel, and there would be alternative roads instead of the monopoly we have now.

    And in LibPar there would be no state-sponsored horizontal enforcement, so most people would have an appropriate reaction to these billboards (revulsion, and/or “WTF???”), and the owners of the private roads would stop letting them go up, because they’d lose business.


  10. MichaelWDean says:


    The Meth Project (started as the Montana Meth Project, and then it spread like a disease) who makes these billboards, was started by billionaire Thomas Siebel, who ran for president in 2008 as a Republican.

    Makes sense he’d want to be president. He certainly seems to enjoy telling people what to do.

    The first commercials The Montana Meth Project did were directed by Darren Aronofsky, and copied the look of “Requiem for a Dream.” Now they just hire no-names and copy the look of the first Aronofsky Meth Project ads.


  11. Ryan says:

    Oh, yeah! And the anti-biotics letter…

    I think the guy totally missed the point about FREEDOM. We don’t have the right to take dangerous and addictive drugs because they are a source of enjoyment. We have the right to do so because we own ourselves and, in a free society, we would live (or die) with the responsibility.

  12. MichaelWDean says:

    “Are disturbing images posted in highly public places a violation of your rights to not be molested while traveling”

    Yes. they wouldn’t do much “good” in the middle of a corn field, so the tax-eaters who supply them put them at red lights on public roads where you’ll be stuck looking at them.


  13. MichaelWDean says:

    Here are just a few of the images in question:

    • Ryan says:

      Yeah, they are gross and annoying ads. I remember seeing some like them on YouTube and around the net.

      BadQuaker had a recent cast that touched on drug dealing, generally, and the rise of Meth. Check it out if you haven’t already.

      And I figured you were kidding, but I wanted to bring it up since the idea of obscenity is really getting into nitty-gritty libertarian territory. If a private group put the signs up, they wouldn’t be less painful to look at, but would be less annoying from the taxpayer point of view.

      So, the big question is: Are disturbing images posted in highly public places a violation of your rights to not be molested while traveling? Forgive me if I didn’t lay that question out in an unbiased way, but I hope you get the idea behind it.

  14. MichaelWDean says:


    I should have made it more clear (or at least laughed), but I was kidding about using obscenity laws against the meth billboard folks. Just pointing out the hypocrisy, i.e. if someone put up art in public alongside the road with similar images that wasn’t for the “social good” of “eradicating” meth, they’d likely be breaking local standards of obscenity in Wyoming. Like if someone put a sign in their yard with the exact images but without the text and without government sanction, they would at LEAST invoke the ire of all their neighbors, and possibly be forced by the city government to remove it.

    Glad you liked the episode!


  15. Ryan says:

    Finished listening, and you guys can chalk up another winner (not counting the weird TMI stuff that I honestly did laugh at)!

    I thought it was interesting to hear Michael talk about enforcing obscenity laws against taxpayer funded billboards. I’m pretty sure I know how you guys normally feel about obscenity laws, but it might be worthwhile to cover the theory of obscenity, being forced to look at something disturbing, and your rights vs the rights of the advertiser as a topic in the future. “If you don’t like it, don’t look at it” sounds well and good, but what if you just CAN’T look away (haha)…

    Also, Moon was definitely a thought-provoking movie. Saw it a while ago, and I didn’t know it was related-by-director to Source Code. Will have to check it out sometime next week.

    On the topic of dreams: I rarely have violent dreams. I often have survival dreams. For some reason, they usually consist of traveling through fiery ruins on foot or on a bike. I’m never terrified, which is odd given the situation. My mood in such dreams tends to strike me as neutral, almost bored, like another day of going to work. Pretty strange.

    The dream that’s come closest to violent recently was about some truck driver pulling up and holding a hammer out the window of his semi and telling me to take it and break another car’s window. I refused, and the guy got out and looked like he was going to chuck the hammer at me. I put my hand on a pocket pistol I usually have, but merely told him off saying something cheesy like “Are you threatening me with physical violence?!” And then the dream ended.

    I’m pretty fascinated by dreams, so this was another topic I enjoyed.

    Anyway, thanks for another cool podcast!

  16. Garrett Fox says:

    Dude’s great show. Source code was friggin awesome. Unfortunatly I figured out what the ending was gonna be way too quick. I didn’t know that’s who made moon. I’ll hafta watch that fo sho.

    And I have dreams quite the opposite of what you guys are talking about. Anytime i go to draw my gun it’ll either get stuck in my holster, or my shotgun wont cycle right. It’s really irritating. When i was younger i always had dreams where I couldn’t throw a punch. Like the muscles in my arm wouldn’t let me. But now that I’ve been doing this self defense training program I’m chopping the bad guys down.

    Maybe I should go do some shootin this weekend.

    Great show guys.

  17. Hesperus says:

    Gran Torino
        I’ve seen it, it’s a good movie, the brown people in question are Hmong, who I believe are Vietnamese hill people who sided with the Americans during the war. As a result they had to book out of the area when the communists won. I have no plans to see source code though, not my thing.
       My favorite podcast, Yeah it’s that bad, recently did a Facebook exclusive episode about a movie called in time which I heard is based very loosely on a carbon restrictive economy. You know where you have to pay Al Gore for the right to breathe.
        As for the 9/11 hijackers being in a strip club I heard somewhere, unfortunately I cannot remember where that it is part of terrorist tactics that jihadis are allowed to partake on prostitution, alcohol, all that fun stuff as part of their cover story.
         Also as something for a future episode I recommend looking at this website there is some really weird stuff there about the true nature of capitalism in this country, and elsewhere.       

  18. MichaelWDean says:

    Yeah, I made a note to Neema about the vaping sounds. It’s mostly him, because it mostly happens while I’m talking.


  19. Ryan says:

    Wanted to say I love listening to your podcasts. Been following you guys for a while since I heard about your movie on Ernest Hancock’s show. I support you guys, and look forward to buying “Guns and Weed” as soon as my financial status stabilizes.

    One thing I’d like to suggest, though: Mute or quit sucking on the Vaporsmiths every time you stop talking to take a breath, please! The high-pitched wheezy-mouthy sound drove me crazy enough to stop listening at the half-hour mark on Ep. 49. I always look forward to your podcasts, so don’t take this the wrong way. It’s probably just me, but it definitely made me cringe after the fifth or sixth time. Know you guys love the Vaporsmiths, but I think the background sound is detrimental to your audio quality.

    I’ll finish listening to Ep. 49 over the weekend. You guys have a lot of great and interesting things to say. Thanks for all that you do!

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