“LOOK AT ME!” + “ME TOO!” Activists are the Hair Metal Bands of Liberty – Freedom Feens radio archive



Ben Stone the Bad Quaker and Michael W. Dean sound like cranky old men (albeit with a good point) while yelling about “THESE GOSH DARNED YOUNGERSTERS TODAY! NO RESPECT FOR TRADITION!” Ben and Michael make the case that many Internet-age activists today are learning Idiocracy-type watered-down versions of brilliant thinkers like Boston T. Party and Claire Wolfe. This makes many of today’s Facebook/YouTube warriors much like 80s hair metal bands who studied Led Zeppelin but had no idea who Howlin’ Wolf or Willie Dixon were.

Video with side-by-side comparisons of how Led Zeppelin fraudulently took whole songs, almost word for word, and said they wrote those songs. (Also notice that despite the overwhelming proof, this video has more down votes than up votes. People sure love their “great men” and are unable to look at evidence.)

The Anarchist Case Against Cannabis Legalization by MK Lords

BOSTON T. PARTY (a.k.a. Kenneth W. Royce):
Boston on Wikipedia
All Boston’s books on Amazon
Javelin Press
Free State Wyoming forum

Claire Wolfe on Wikipedia
Claire’s blog
All Claire’s books on Amazon
Claire’s free eBook: Rats! Your guide to protecting yourself against snitches, informers, informants, agents provocateurs, narcs, finks, and similar vermin

Project Appleseed

The four rules of gun safety are explained very well in “Gun Training With The Non-aggression Principle, Vol 1: Basic Handgun and Rifle with Jared Waltz

Trailer for same.

The four rules of gun safety are explained very well and demonstrated by a pretty girl in the beginning of the movie Guns and Weed: The Road to Freedom.

Blocked By Chris Cantwell image by Davi Barker, Idea by Michael W. Dean.

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11 Responses to “LOOK AT ME!” + “ME TOO!” Activists are the Hair Metal Bands of Liberty – Freedom Feens radio archive

  1. bunkerdweller says:

    One of the things that I really love about “A User’s Manual for the Human Experience” is Michael’s stance with respect to AA and to 12 step programs. He doesn’t just shit on them, or dismiss them out of hand, but neither does he descend to the level of blind or blinkered 12-step cultism. It’s a rare and beautiful thing to witness. Feels very real and valuable. It’s a RARE book. I almost never read books more than once. With this one, I find myself returning. Again and again.

    I shared certain ideas from Michael’s recovery book with a therapist in my family. They were deeply impacted and impressed by the concepts, and wisdom, that Michael shares there. No big surprise. Without hyperbole, I honestly consider Michael to be a genuine expert when it comes to recovery and codependence. And probably also an expert when it comes to human sexuality. But, you know what? Let’s get real for a second. I’m really no expert when it comes to human sexuality. So I’m not particularly qualified to evaluate that effectively. Why pretend otherwise?

    I assume that Michael’s stance with respect to 12-step programs comes from his raw lived experience. School of hard knocks. Combined with a keen and inquisitive mind. And of course, a sensitive and deeply-feeling heart. Seeing and experiencing both the good and the bad. And being unwilling to close his eyes to either. That’s honesty. And that’s awesome.

    Being repeatedly exposed to certain ideas and practices. Embracing some. Seeing that they are solid. Accepting others, but only in a modified form, or only for a time. Perhaps they were only useful and valid within a certain context. A certain time and space. Questioning other ideas. And perhaps even letting some ideas and practices go altogether. It’s an organic process that cannot be faked. Or rushed. Like baking the perfect apple pie. Or growing a tree. Something wholesome like that.

    We all have ideas in our heads. And then there is the outside world. “Life on life’s terms.” Right? There is something that happens in the interplay between our lived experience, and the theoretical ideas living in our skulls. A sort of churning. The feedback loop from reality that may reinforce, confirm, challenge, or even totally obliterate, certain ideas that we hold. Or hold dear. That’s a good thing.

    Like a man using a map to travel to a new land. Then modifying the map as needed. When he sees that certain aspects of it do not really match the territory. At all. Putting a tighter skin on reality. Rather than just throwing an old, thick, wooly, itchy and opaque blanket over it.

    Yes, I know. So many abstract metaphors. Sorry. It’s how my mind works.

    In liberty, as in 12-step programs, there are certain people who simply parrot things that they do not really understand. Do not apply in their own lives. Do not embody. Repeaters. Not thinkers. Cultists. Not guides or fellow-travelers.

    And then there are people who have really lived it. And it changed them. And it shows. And they also, in turn, feed back onto it. Changing it. Imprinting it. Leaving their footprint in its ass. They are able to distill it to its essence. To see what is real in it. What works. And what is just hype. To challenge, where needed. To offer workable alternatives, when possible. Like getting closer to the root. Like boiling it down. Or like stripping off the fat. Like having a good bullshit detector. Or like whatever simile would work best here. Getting to the real.

    What is needed, is perhaps a sort of “Orange Papers of Liberty”. My own “liberty sponsor” doesn’t exist on the liberty scene. Doesn’t exist in professional libertarianism. And I’m glad for it.

    And I don’t see him as a “great man”. But I think he’s a decent man. A good man. More or less. In a certain sphere, anyway. In a certain sense. Certainly a man. And, it must be said, in some ways he’s also a bad man. But not a VERY bad man. And I disagree with him on a bunch of stuff. But the stuff he’s right about…kowabunga!

    I wouldn’t want to be him. If I am to be candid. Or even be LIKE him. Well, maybe in some ways. And we are not friends. Nor would I wish us to be. Yet…I feel a deep and genuine gratitude towards him. Real respect. Even something like awe.

    He spent his life reading, thinking, living, and working in the libertarian current. And in other associated currents. As in, currents-in-a-river. His ideas changed and evolved over time. Some of his early naive convictions fell to the wayside. Getting their asses handed to them by reality. Only to be replaced by more solid convictions. He doesn’t use the world “libertarian” to describe himself. But he’s done more to get me to take liberty seriously than anyone else. Because it’s not just words with this dude.

    Just like Michael has been able to get to the bones of what recovery is. What works. And why it works…my liberty sponsor has (in my opinion) been able to distill liberty. Or do it for me, anyway. To give me something workable. A map that matches the territory of my experience. Well…more or less. But more than most.

    I guess that lived experience itself is also not enough. It’s what we are able to carve out of it. The experiencer makes the difference.

    Some people may spend decades in a 12-step program, and will seem to simply deteriorate. Others may plateau. But become real scary and creepy in the process. Some will do their time, and then move forward. Move on. The wonderful and hope-giving idea that recovery is something that helps you get back to your life.

    And so, to me, liberty is not a movement. Not one that I am associated with, anyway. At its best, it’s something that helps me get back to my real life. Helps me to navigate my life.

  2. Gretchen says:

    I probably would not know of Boston T. Party had it not been for my Father (whom is also not on the facebeast).

  3. Michigan Escapee says:

    If you want to really freak people out, point to all the 80s hair metal bands, then show them an OLD band
    most, those born after the 60s at least, have never heard of called Slade. AC/DC and some of the 70s bands pretty much copied the style they pioneered.

    Thanks to youtube, you can now freak people out by showing them 80s hair metal being played in the UK in the early 70s. 😀

  4. Mike Fleming says:

    “GREAT video with side-by-side comparisons of where Led Zeppelin stole some of their biggest hits.”

    How do you steal ideas? Isn’t this just the idea of intellectual property rearing it’s ugly head?

    When it comes down to it, we are all standing on the shoulders of giants, to use an oft-quoted metaphor.

    You can say someone doesn’t have any original ideas but so what? Popularity often comes down to delivery and marketing. That is often best achieved by people who don’t have any original ideas of their own. That’s just the way the world is. That’s how the free market works.

    The important thing, is that the ideas are out there in the wild where they can flourish and be built upon on by others. As David Friedman oft says, paraphrasing, “when he was young he was afraid people would steal his ideas, now he’s older he’s afraid people won’t steal them”.

    If the person is doing something fundamentally wrong (like running a cult and/or stifling dissent) that is another story but if they are not hurting anyone then what is the issue?

    • MichaelWDean says:


      You can’t “steal ideas.” But you can commit fraud, which is what you’re doing when you take someone else’s song almost word for word, and say you wrote it.

      I’m not saying Zep didn’t create new things out of old, they did, and it’s very cool. (And I’m a HUGE fan of Led Zeppelin.)

      My issue with them is that they claimed to have WRITTEN some of the songs they didn’t. That’s dishonesty, in this world or in a libertarian paradise.

      I hate IP. But I hate fraud just as much, if not more.

      They also really fought against paying those old starving black dudes (or in some cases, their kin) any money. Since Zep lived in the IP world (and were REALLY litigious), by playing by their own rules, they should have given those cats some money. You either believe in IP, or you don’t. Led Zeppelin did, in a huge way. They finally did throw those old dudes a little money, but only after court orders. But I don’t think they ever credited those guys. That all really smacks of imperialism. And Zep were fine with that.

      Besides Mike, you’re reacting to the show notes, not to the show. I don’t even mention that in the show. The point in the show is that young libertarians today have largely skipped study on an important couple decades in libertarian history. The people after Mises and before Larken Rose did some important work that’s worth checking out.

      To me, show notes on a podcast are for Google, not for humans. I don’t put much thought into them. The audio is the thing.

      Anyway, I’ve corrected the show notes to clarify what I mean. When I made the show notes, I was in a hurry, there were lots of notes. I cut and pasting and pasted in someone else’s term “stealing.” (I stole it. lol.) It’s fixed now.

      Mike, watch that video about Led Zeppelin, then look at the credits on your Led Zeppelin records and tell me they weren’t committing dishonesty.


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