On Writing with The Freedom Feens, part 2


SaulOfficeOutsideAuthors Davi Barker, Randy England and Michael W. Dean have a roundtable discussion about the craft of writing. Also discussed is Hubert Selby Jr’s influence on American literature, cinema and TV.  And the Feens have some fun chatter & banter about “Better Call Saul“, and various uses of The Statue of Liberty in iconography.

Davi Barker’s books

Michael W. Dean’s books

Randy England’s books: Free is Beautiful, The Last Fisherman: A novel of the last pope, the anti-christ, and the end of the age, Unicorn in the Sanctuary.

This episode recorded with the hosts coming in over FeenPhone.


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11 Responses to On Writing with The Freedom Feens, part 2

  1. Gretchen says:

    Valuing time – I value my time a lot. More than anything else. I can see your point in regards to marxism, but this fact remains: You can always get more money. You CANNOT get more time.

    I may charge a fixed rate fore projects, but it’s figured based on a time estimate.

  2. Rick says:

    Breaking Bad is my favorite show of all time, and I’m enjoying BCS so far.

    Re: continuity issues – Having consumed BB on DVD and listened to all the commentary tracks with Vince Gilligan — who has a famous attention to even the most minute details — I would be shocked if Gilligan & Co. allowed any continuity errors to get through.

    • Ben Stone says:

      It’s possible that my hopes are too high, but I agree with Rick.
      It may also be that with the new scrutiny everything gets from internet users, movie and TV production is held to a higher standard.
      For example, in the old days when John Wayne, playing a US Marine in battle, first sputtered out the phrase “lock and load” it literally had no meaning. Military vets, gun owners, and other viewers adjusted their terminology to fit what their hero had said, and the phrase developed an actual meaning. Now days gun owners would call the actor out and mock him endlessly with memes all over the internet.


      • MichaelWDean says:

        I thought “lock and load” had meaning, but only with muskets?

        • Ben Stone says:

          “Load” followed by “Lock” had meaning. John Wayne probably misspoke his line or remembered it wrong. After John Wayne used it in the movie Sands of Iwo Jima, people started using it in reference to loading the Garand. But there is nothing documenting it in that context prior to the movie.


  3. Halsingen says:

    Regarding “California would be a great place to live, if it weren’t for the Californians”:

    Was that perhaps paraphrasing Mankell (author of the famous Wallander novels)?

    He’s said to have coined it, but instead of Californians, he talked about the people where I live.


    But isn’t California a giant with feet of clay? And different parts want to secede from it?

    • Halsingen says:

      Btw, isn’t California even bigger than France, and have 34,5 million inhabitants?

      And about six parts want to secede?

      I just ordered the libertarian Bill Kaufmann’s book “Bye Bye Miss American Empire” about the secessionist movements in America, that was brought up on the Tom Woods show, and really look forward to read it as a fellow European libertarian secessionist.

      • Nathan says:

        How is secession viewed in Europe? Here in America people just mutter “slavery” at you if you bring up secession because of that war I don’t know what to call it in 1861.

        • Halsingen says:

          How secession is viewed in Europe is different depending of where you live: Friesland, Wallonia , Normandy, Brittany, Basque Country, Sicily, Galicia, Lombardy, etc.

          One thing that has given secessionist movements in Europe strength, is the EU’s hourglass model, in which the EU level and the regional grows, while the nation-state loses significance.

          It also points to the urban development and the emergence of “megacitities”. Mayors and not presidents, will have the political weight

          But it’s fascinating how secessionists, regionalists and nullifiers both in the United States and Sweden (where I live) are always painted as right-wing or racist. Less centralized levels or groups than the central government are suspicious. National (central) culture and identity is nice and unifying. The Regional dito, is ugly and excluding.

          In this regard, I was pretty frustrated by the Keenevention’s Secession Panel’s nationalist focus on primarily one overriding identity (“You shall have no other comparable identities before me”).

          Which is the opposite of the libertarian regionalism’s roughly equivalent multiple identities as ripples on water (like for example, New York City, New York State, New England, the USA, North America etc).


  4. Nathan says:

    Maybe that’s why I haven’t written any fiction myself, I don’t do the characters-in-your-head thing. I read a webcomic before and the author left comments on each one that sounded creepy because they made him sound like a disinterested third party in the lives of the characters he himself was writing.

    A different webcomic which made me think of the feens today though:


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