Step 9 in Statists Anonymous – Freedom Feens radio

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Ben Stone the Bad Quaker and Michael W. Dean  drop Part Nine in their 36-part series, “Adopting and Adapting the 12 Steps, 12 Traditions and 12 Concepts of World Service of Alcoholics Anonymous to treating the disease of Statism, the disease of clinging to bad ideas, and the disease of clinging to bad people.”

Michael and Ben give their experience, strength and hope on Step Nine: “Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.”

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4 Responses to Step 9 in Statists Anonymous – Freedom Feens radio

  1. Nathan says:

    The 9th step only says not to do harm to your victim or others, it doesn’t specifically say yourself. But in the example of the guy stealing from his job, it wasn’t clear to me if you meant he should sneak money back in because of his family starving or because he would starve. Especially if you’re in a government job and you might not have the ability at that point to work a private job, for example. Should that person quit if it means being homeless?

    • MichaelWDean says:

      No, the point was that he shouldn’t admit it to his boss and get fired or jailed. Just pay it back anon over time.

    • Nathan says:

      If he had no family I can see a lot of people going down the road of “Woe is me I feel so shameful I must turn myself in to the authorities!”. Did you see a lot of that in AA? Pfc. Manning was a bit like that too, confessing his “sin” and getting turned in.

      It sounds like it comes down to punishment vs restitution. It’s more ethical to make whole those you’ve hurt than to receive divine punishment and forgiveness for so-called “sins”.

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