Libertarian Fundamentalism is So Square – Freedom Feens radio


01-Woman-With-A-Gas-Resistant-Pram-England-1938MK Lords, Chandler St. Pierre and Ben Stone  discuss MK’s article on Libertarian Fundamentalism.

Chandler recommended The Art of War by Sun Tzu.

In hour two the Feens talked about humans as problem solvers.

Chandler talked about the movie The Edge.

Ben introduces the concept that the State is simply a problem. Compared to some problems humans have faced, the State is a minor problem. Chandler relates the conversation to the Grateful Dead song Touch of Grey, and MK tells about what activist Carlos Moralas has said, that humans are anti-fragile and actually improve with some kinds of stress.

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4 Responses to Libertarian Fundamentalism is So Square – Freedom Feens radio

  1. Nathan says:

    I also came from a Christian fundamentalist background MK, and have noticed some of the same verbiage that you talk about in my own life. Here’s one example:

    In the religious doctrine of calvinism, people aren’t able to freely choose salvation or damnation. Instead, God predetermines ahead of time “The Elect”, the chosen of God who are fated to believe and be saved. All others are cast into hellfire or whatever.

    Ben Stone interviewed a political consultant and it’s one of my favorite interviews on his show. The consultant argued that, similar to The Elect (my words), some people can be persuaded freedom is good and some can’t. Which isn’t defeatist, of course. It just means you want to focus on finding like-minded people instead of getting into pointless arguments on facebeef. It always struck me as somewhat strangely similar to Calvinism though, because it has this “you’re saved or you’re not” approach where you’re an angelic freedom lover or a dirty brutish statist. And even going the Ghandi route of “Being the change you want to see in the world”, still has that ring of elitism, like the only reason I want to be good is to show those dirty statists over there how righteous I can be. Yet the reality is, 90% of people I’ve ever met are going to joyfully keep voting for an R or a D forever. What do you think?

    • MK says:

      great points, Nathan! i definitely see the similarities between Calvinism. the Ghandi quote is one of those things one should never be so tactless to say about onesself but rather should be said by others about dedication. my ending point of the article was taking issue with the idea that people need to be “saved” from themselves in the first place instead of meeting them where they are and trying to learn from them.

    • Nathan says:

      Yes that’s more clear to me after rereading the final paragraph. It can be difficult to meet someone where they are without judging them as being stupid or greedy and whatnot. It might be in Michael’s book or somewhere, but I remember something like you can only really reach an addict if you 1) have the knowledge to help them, and 2) are close enough to connect as an equal, instead of being above or below. It sounds like you’re saying for 2) to apply, one has to understand where that person is, which will be different for every individual.

      • MichaelWDean says:

        Also I had several friends who actually died of ODs and didn’t leave a note so it left that same question.

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